@NaClKnight no i get it, i totally understand why joker is frustrating. I just thought he was the best of what ultimate was already doing, whereas there's another subsection of characters (typified by steve basically), that just plays a different game and if i dont enjoy THEIR minigame then i'm gonna have a bad time in the matchup
It just feels like they're more interested in making characters that break the fundamental rules than making an interesting game, and i think there's a not insubstantial number of games nowadays that design characters that way and it makes the game less fun. Characters don't belong in a game, they break the rules of the game they're stuck in. And I think that's a shame